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Sunday, January 27, 2013

THE BUCK STOPS HERE.

 I had always prided myself on the fact that I was such an independent woman, who did not need any man to be, or do what I wanted to do. In those days before I got married, I was a fire spitting feminist and even explored the subject of feminism in the writings of some great female novelists, as my project in the University. I was also active in the youth fellowship group of my church back then, and any 'brother' who crossed my path, knew that I was not a sister to be toyed with, as I made sure that I let them know that I did not suffer fools gladly, lol. Then I met my husband and he proposed and I accepted. After a while of courting, my fiance then, now husband, called me one day, and asked me, 'do you know what it means to submit in marriage? What do you think submission means? I did not answer the question directly, as I began to tell him all the things submission was not. I told him that submission did not mean 'subjection or slavery' and all the definitions I could think of/ remember. He did not seem to be convinced that I knew what submission meant, despite my attempt to convince him that I did. He felt that I strongly believed in my independence as a lot of brothers had expressed doubt about my ability to be submissive as a wife because of my radical, no-nonsense- stance. A few outrightly asked him  how he got me to accept his marriage proposal as I acted so tough, lol. However, instead of this being a deterrent, it spurred him on a mission of loving this tough, independent sister, into submission and after 10years, I must admit, I have been loved to total submission, lol.  This made me decide to look closely into the subject of submission in marriage. I began to read books on marriage, and looked into my bible to understand what it truly means to be submissive in marriage.  The more I studied the word, the more it made demands on me to re-examine my views in the light of Scriptures and it clicked eventually that independence, as we know it, and marriage, do not go together  as marriage is an interdependent relationship.  Kathy Escobar explains this concept more: http://kathyescobar.com/2010/08/04/codependence-independence-interdependence/ . I discovered that when I obey God and submit to my husband, he submits to me as well and this mutual submission liberates us both. Ephesians 5:21 says,
  "Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ." Mutual submission is God's blue print for a happy home. In over 10 years of marriage, I have come to realize that when one partner insists on having their way all the time, the marriage relationship begins to fall apart. Throughout Scripture, we see the concept of submission.
 In 1 Corinthians 16:16, we're told to "submit to everyone who joins in the work" of serving others. Hebrews 13:17 says, "Obey your leaders and submit to their authority." First Peter 2:13 says, "Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among man." First Peter 5:5 says, "Be submissive to those who are older." God created Eve as a help meet for Adam, and we find  that the Old Testament uses the word 'helper'  to describe someone of strength, which tells me that Eve sure had a lot going for her. She completed/complemented Adam. They could both benefit from what each had to offer by mutually submitting to each other. Instances of mutual submission can be seen in the home when a wife submits to her husband by respecting and obeying him (Ephesians 5:21-6:4), the husband submits to his wife by sacrificially loving her, and the children submit to their parents by obeying and honoring them, and the parents submit to their children by spiritually nurturing them. Slaves and Masters as well, are to submit to one another, because we all serve God.
When there is mutual submission in the home, order and stability results and each person is not just doing his own thing. Lack of order in the home is a sure recipe for disaster. Too often,  though, some men, in a futile attempt to mask their insecurities, insist on having their own way and that is when submission becomes a weapon of slavery.  God did not say,  "Make your wives submit. Assert your authority as head of the house. Show who's boss." Instead, Ephesians 5:15 tells men to, "Love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her." To do that,  one must  must die to self and in dying to self, you can enjoy the special person your wife/husband is to you, and beyond that, your relationship with her/him, as well as with God is honored. (1 Peter 3:7).
As a wife, I have learned that my husband is the head of our home, not because he is a superior being, but because God has given him this responsibility and I do my bit to help and encourage him to become God's man. I will help him to make decisions, but will not make them for him.
This leads me to the topic of discourse today, which was generated by a Facebook post put up by  Anthony's Words of Wisdom For Women
QUESTION:

In my last question about marriage and who makes the FINAL decision, I am getting answers like Both, Compromise, Discuss it, What's best for the family and things like these. They sound good but if a husband and a wife sit down, talk about it, discuss it, weighs the pros and cons and STILL CAN'T COME UP WITH A COMPROMISE but a decision HAS TO BE MADE, who makes that final decision?

Put yourself in this situation before you answer. People are saying BOTH have to agree. NO THEY DON'T. We are talking about real life and not all the times will you agree. Remember, one person MAY NOT LIKE the final decision but it HAS TO BE MADE. Again, who makes that decision?


I have posted the question exactly as I saw it on Facebook and would welcome your thoughts on this. Have a blessed week ahead people.

34 comments :

  1. This is a very touchy but "truth be told" topic. I like this line "As a wife, I have learned that my husband is the head of our home, not because he is a superior being, but because God has given him this responsibility." Food for thought for the day. Keep it up ma.

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    1. Hı gırl, how are you? It's good to read your comments here, thanks for stoppıng by. It sure ıs a touchy subject, but truth must be told, lol.

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    2. Very touchy indeed.revealing I say but full of truth. Often times the words slavery, submission, independence are used interchangeably yet none can substitute each other. Well done

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    3. Thanks for your contrıbutıon. I sure apprecıate thıs, thank you.

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    1. I read your comment wıth thıs huge grın on my face. I am always lookıng forward to your candıd vıews, sıs.
      Thıs statement ıs so true about some ladıes and thıs marrıage ıssue, "some ladies are not and don't discourage others who are. But if you are going to, then play according to the rules!" Gbam! Every ınstıtutın has ıts guıdıng rules and prıncıples. Marrıage ıs defınıtely not by force, but ıf one decıdes to marry, then one must play ıt by the rules, and these rules or guıdıng prıncıples can be found ın Scrıpture.

      If a woman ıs not ready to submıt to the leadershıp of her man ın marrıage, but equates submıssıon wıth foolıshness/docılıty, then she should remaın unmarrıed.

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    2. I also laughed when you saıd that, "If unfortunately it boomerangs, I will rub it in! Yes! I don't spare him!..ahahahaha." I do not agree that you should rub ıt ın when the buck stops wıth hım and ıt boomerangs o. Gıve hım the grace of faılıng wıthout losıng face-ıf you get what I mean, hehehehehe. Restraın yourself from sayıng, "ı told you so" no matter how much you feel lıke sayıng so, lol.

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    3. Wow! Simly Mee, you just took the words outa my mouth. What can I say again?
      God bless you Ivy!!!

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    4. ahahaha, Ivy, I am human and I won't lie about being Spiro 'ish about this. I call a spade a spade!
      A wonderful post Ivy :D

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    5. Hahahaha, SM, ıt ıs perfectly natural to want to rub ıt ın, but I have learned not to, lol.

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    6. I joined the party late, please where's @simply mee's comment oh.

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    7. Yes, you joined late oh, lol. Her comment was on point. I wish she had left it there, but I understand her reasons. How you dey?

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  3. I wıll share a frıend's response to thıs post below. She could not post the comment here due to regıstratıon ıssues, but posted ın another forum where I shared thıs. Folake saıd:

    @Sis Ivy's Blog:
    Dear all, please pardon me for posting this here
    After typing on Sis Ivy's blog I realised I couldn't publish my comment!
    #:-s

    Thanks for a job well done.

    I guess it takes some of us a while to accept the wisdom of submission in marriage especially those of us who are strongly opinionated but there is truly no short-cut to a happy marriage.

    To the question of who makes the final decision, I would say it depends on what is being decided upon. There are times when the husband will give the wife the leave to make the decision on behalf of both of them if he feels it is her turf or she has the better judgement.

    However, in such instances it would be with the husband's backing. In cases where the wife does not agree with the husband's final decision but they are going with his decision anyway, the wife needs to be matured about it and see herself as one with her husband no matter how the issue turns out. It is not the time to 'rub-it-in' should it backfire nor refuse to commend should it work out.


    It is important that we always bear in mind that we are both on the same side. I know it can be tough because we all have our pride but by the grace of God and practice we get better with each episode.

    Keep up the good work!

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    1. And another frıend, Bolanle responded to Folake. She saıd:

      @Sister flakky(y) God said husbands love your wives------ wives be submissive to your husbands,why? Cos our father knows that its easy For a Woman to love her husband but not so Easy for her to be Submissive,loving is of the heart (a woman is more emotional n sensitive) but submission is of the brain which science has made us to understand that not only are they designed the same way sometimes some women are even more intelligent and smarter than men. As a christian wife even if you feel your husbands(who is the head and Priest of the home)decision on a matter is not ok and all effort to make him see reason proves futile,it might even be cos of his ego,the best thing to do is to go back to God on your knees(even as you go along With the decision made by your husband) and pray that since your husbands heart is in His hands he should turn it to make a decision that his best and when that eventually happens and the wifes decision is eventually taken a good wife must never say the 'failure statement' didn't I tell you!

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    2. Well done, Bolanle and Folake!You two hit the nail. GBAM!

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  4. I read your reply and other commenters, and I noticed the 'rub-in-statement is being picked on. Ivy, I had been blogging for 3years now and let me make it bold that I know where the direction of the other comments will lead to. I will delete my first comment with deep respect for you.
    A wonderful post Ivy.

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    1. Awwwww, SM, ı wısh you hadn't 'cos that your comment was so on poınt. You know, we wrıters must learn to wrıte from the heart and not just wrıte thıngs to please people and fortunately, you are one of the few who express themselves authentıcally.
      It does not matter ıf people do not agree wıth everythıng we wrıte-we must always dısagree to agree and the focus of the dısagreement should not be on 'WHO' ıs rıght, but 'WHAT' ıs rıght. As I share of myself wıth others, I also open myself up to correctıon ıf I deraıl, lol. That's the thıng about thıs gıft that God has gıven to us. You share of yourself at the rısk of people not agreeıng wıth everythıng you say, but to me, ıt's part of the whole learnıng process. For ınstance, there was a poster whıch I used on my BB and a frıend sent a chat askıng me ıf people wıll not be offended. I told her that I am a wrıter and that ıf I wrıte or post thıngs to please people, then I won't express myself genuınely, and she saw wıth me. If she had gıven me valıd reasons why I should not put up the poster, or even debunked what was wrıtten on ıt, I'd look at the merıts of her argument and take ıt off; but her reason was purely a sentımental one. I hope you get what I'm sayıng. Thanks for your candıd vıews.

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    2. You are welcome Ivy and it is a pleasure.

      And just as you explained, as a writers we are expected to be opened to CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM and not 'am-holier or better-than-you criticism and I readily apologise for any error I make when explained to as you might have observed in my blog because I am HUMAN with flaws.
      BUT speaking from my experience in blogsville, when a statement has been picked on, other commenters will derail from the POV and pick on that particular comment which I do want it to happen in this interesting post.

      Yes, it is very natural to rub it in because as humans we all want to do and sometimes WE DO! And that is no yard stick to measure or weigh WHO is good or bad! Hope you get my drift sistah? Thanks :D

      P.S And yes, we agree to disagree which I always encourage in my blog, but in a friendly manner, just as you did Ivy.

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    3. Yay!!! She came back *typing-and-dancing-and-hugging at the same time* lol. Thanks for coming back to respond 'cos I was about to find you reach house today, if possible, hahahahaha.
      I understand what you mean about people derailing from the POV to pick on a particular comment, but if you see the latter end of the post, that is the one I really want responses on. The Facebook post I shared, on who has the final, final say, when there is a deadlock in decision making.
      Let's bone that side of whether you laugh at your hubby or not, 'cos that one is between you two. Each couple has a communication style that suits them and between two of you, he may actually not mind being laughed at, it could make him learn to listen to you also next time, but there are some men that if you laugh at them, that matter go reach village, if you know what I mean, hahahahahaha. It is not a determinant of the goodness or badness(not-sure-of-this-word o, pardon its usage, lol), of one's character or person at all. It may just be a communication style that is unique to you two. I get your drift totally.

      Thanks for your contribution, and keep on being yourself. Cheers girl.

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    4. I love @simply mee....no pretences from her at all at all........ I think the guiding principle is to know your spouse well well, groom and nurture in love and you will have a happy mate. .....there's this verse in a Yoruba song by lagbaja that goes thus "fa mi ni irun imu, pe mi ni oruko.....oun it mo fe je ni ko je ki mi gbon" literally means " pull my bear-bear, call me by name.....it's what I want to eat that has made me unwise" .

      My point is if we treat our spouses well, they will be happy, flourish and blossom so well, they will overlook our negative side....

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    5. Yes oh, lol. Some do not mind if you, 'pull their bear-bear...' hahahahahahah, as long as you treat them with the love and respect that they deserve. You are correct.

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  5. Wellllll, I can only speak for myself, I was always a very Independent woman because of my upbringing so the concept of Submission was new and foreign and not welcome actually to me. It took a long while to get to the point of fully submitting and I guess in some ways I'm still learning, as regards the question who makes the final decision, I will speak about my home, I can be laid back about some certain issues at times but any time we face deadlock in disagreeing about something, I allow my husband the right to make the final Decision and my reasons are not out of blindness or stupidity but more because of certain qualities he has, he is a very good Decision maker compared to me anyway sometimes I'm sentimental and emotional about things but I always want and know what the right decision is so I allow him to make it. I can't say this will work for everyone or every relationship but its worked for us so far, so I say if it ain't broke don't fix it.

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    1. I actually responded to this post and published it. I'm surprised that my response did not appear. Let me re-type what I wrote again.
      I'm so loving the, 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' comment. This is so true because each couple has a peculiar way of approaching the decision making process. However, where there is no agreement at all, and there are times like that, and someone has to make the final decision in my own home, I allow my husband to make that decision. I am perfectly content to stay in my position as wife and allow my hubby to function in his role as the head of the home; as the family head, he has certain graces for that position which I lack and vice versa. So, I'd rather function with ease, than operate with a struggle in another person's turf, hahahahahaha. I get you on the emotional bit-most women tend to be emotional about making certain decisions, and sometimes, the objective view of the man is most welcomed, even when we do not say it.
      For instance, there are decisions that I do not bother my head about at all e.g business decisions. I could suggest, but really, I'd rather my husband made those decisions since I do not have to, and he is more business savvy; but where he makes a business decision that I totally do not agree with, he explains to me why he did it, and even if I do not understand, I back down on it; he also gives me a free hand to make decisions that have to do with the home turf, and where I meet a logjam, I ask for his opinion and we iron it out together. If I make a decision at home which he does not agree with, I justify why I took the decision and he backs down as well. So, there are final decisions that he makes, and there are some final decisions that he allows me to make as well. That is how we play it. Each man is different though. There are men that would want to make all the decisions without deferring to their wives in anyway, because they interpret any little protest from the woman as a challenge to their authority. That one is a dictatorship, I think, but that is beyond the scope of what we are discussing here.
      Thanks for coming around girl.

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  6. I think most of the commentators above have done enough justice to the question. But Just to add my voice, I would say that this question is really simple or should be simple for a christian home working in unity to answer. why? because, the bible makes it clear that the man is the head of the home and so he should always have the final say( please bear in mind that, that final say could also be telling the wife to make the decision).

    Although the man has the final say, but working in unity with the wife, they consult together on any issues to reach an agreement . where they cannot agree, the wife (even if reluctantly) but as a christian, should uphold the principles of the bible and let the husband have the final say. Trust me the man in his heart, already knows that he must bear the brunt of the outcome of that decision making.

    I emphasize on a christian home here because the opposite might be the outcome in a home that does not allow the principles of submission to take place. We are all firstly human beings, who have opinions and want to not only show that we are right but also want to have our way. what makes the difference is doing things, not the way we desire but how God has told us to no matter how difficult/unfair it may seem.

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    1. Well spoken Sumbo. Thanks for sharing your views. God bless you.

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  7. wonderful post i must commend you. well, so much has been said and if I am to add my voice to it, I would w=support Ada's view. let the husband make the decision if there is a dead lock.

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    1. Sure, Bernnie, thanks for stopping by and comnmenting as well. God bless you.

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  8. I have learned from the post and comments

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    1. Hey Tizzle, welcome back. Hope you had a swell time on your holiday. I am glad you have. God bless you dear.

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  9. I love someone's comment about " if it ain't broken don't fix it" . No two homes are the same so I don't think anyone should "cut and paste" experiences. However, we can learn from other people's dealings on issues and use them as guides.

    I am very opinionated while my Hubby is the most patient person in this part of the planet. However, after all my "gra-gra" I always allow him take the lead, though we deliberate a lot and agree on any course of action together.

    I can truthfully say so far so good , I love been lead. It gives me the wonderful feeling that there's a captain in my "boat", I don't know if I have been a good passenger sha oh....will have to ask Hubby about that.

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    1. You are so right about not cutting and pasting other people's experiences. Thanks girl.

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  10. I came back to read again, and what I am taking with me is... "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."

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  11. Hugs, hugs girl. Thanks for coming back. God bless you. Great rule to abide by, thanks.

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  12. blessings....
    hmmmmmm.... provocative, SUBMIT because of the willful abuse of women and children by some of our male counterparts has taken on a particular negative connotation that leaves a sour taste in the mouth so much so that to even hint at such causes aggressive behavior and negative responses. So much so that SUBMIT is aligned with abuse, degradation, dominance, control and is almost distinguishable to COMPROMISE.

    To have a lasting relationship one needs to compromise, to let go of some things for the better gone of the unit/relationship. This is not a one way street there has to be reciprocity. Compromising is a form of submission though one may choose not to call it such due to the negative aforementioned.

    Like anything in life, there is a give and take, one just have to determine what they are willing to give and what they are willing to take.

    peace....
    interesting and provocative piece.

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